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  Are Jehovah's Witnesses Happy?

  by minimus in

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  i know of the local congregation's issues, per an elder i know quite well.

  he has said that nearly everyone in the congregation is suffering emotionally and mentally.

  he said he has never seen so many witnesses with so many problems.

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  I think there is a large proportion of depressed and miserable jws.

  Saying that, I have also met a shed load of happy jws. ...Deluded, but happy non the less.

  You can't paint 8 million people with the same brush.

  Just saying. ...
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  The art of being "Self referential" JW style....

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  have you noticed how everything from the gb or witnesses in general is "self referential"?.

  by this i mean that they adopt the method of using their own quotes, facts, statistics, teachings, events etc....to "prove" the new points made!.

  so for example, a teaching point or doctrinal reference is brought out, and in order to "prove" it, the gb will use their own self referential past points to back it up!.

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  Yeah, it always confuses me when they quote themselves to back up a point.

  It's like saying. "This book was written 200 years ago. We can see evidence of this from the W89 2/15 article which says about this very same book. "It was indeed written 200 years ago". So we can clearly see, without a doubt, this book was written 200 years ago".

  Quite funny actually.
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  Do JWs suffer from Stockholm Syndrome?

  by campaign of hate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this topic is what what it says on the tin.

  do jws suffer/are suffering, from stockholm syndrome?.

  getting abused (mentally) and then seem to form a relationship with the captives (wtbts).. there is also a condition called oslo syndrome, but haven't read up much about it.. personally, i think i might be suffering from the former.. would love to get a few opinions.....

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  This topic is what what it says on the tin. Do JWs suffer/are suffering, from Stockholm syndrome?

  Getting abused (mentally) and then seem to form a relationship with the captives (WTBTS).

  There is also a condition called Oslo syndrome, but haven't read up much about it.

  Personally, i think i might be suffering from the former.

  Would love to get a few opinions....
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  rumor out that governing body is going to adjust the loveing disfellowshiping arangment df yes shunning no.

  by poopie in

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  can anyone confirm they seem to be having disagreement writing dept and service dept some feel that df ok as long as you do not add wholesale across the board shunning regardless of the sin ..

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  campaign of hate

  If true, it could easily swing either way.

  Drop the shunning, become more liberal, membership skyrockets = The real money starts to come in.

  or

  Drop the shunning = Still stagnant growth, but more leave as they have nothing to be afraid of.

  We all know the GB are pretty money obsessed, and if they really are being controlled by lawyers and accountants, dropping the shunning could be a brilliant strategic business move.

  But.....I personally can't see it happening.
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  POLL: Will You Be Attending The Memorial & If You Are---Why?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  i was just invited.

  i thanked my old elder friend and he left.

  (i'm not going).

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  Sadly yes.
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  Drugs and Alcohol Ruin Your Life

  by campaign of hate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this point was raised in another thread vaguely, and wanted to try and expand on it.. the wt has said (and rightly so in my opinion) "that excessive use of drugs and alcohol can ruin your life".

  in my eyes this is a fact.. this is where it starts to get a little suspicious, as they also say (or subtly hint at) "that if you leave the wt you will becoming addicted to drugs and alcohol and will ruin your life".. its almost like a self fulfilling prophecy.

  as there are a lot who leave the borg and they do start drinking heavy or smoking, or taking drugs...or whatever.. the wt capitalizes on the fact that people want more freedom, and they subtly ingrain the thought that.

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  campaign of hate

  This point was raised in another thread vaguely, and wanted to try and expand on it.

  The WT has said (and rightly so in my opinion) "that excessive use of drugs and alcohol can ruin your life"

  In my eyes this is a fact.

  This is where it starts to get a little suspicious, as they also say (or subtly hint at) "that if you leave the WT you will becoming addicted to Drugs and Alcohol and will ruin your life".

  Its almost like a self fulfilling prophecy. As there are a LOT who leave the Borg and they do start drinking heavy or smoking, or taking drugs...or whatever.

  The WT capitalizes on the fact that people want more freedom, and they subtly ingrain the thought that. drugs+alcohol=Freedom. But display it in a negative light. Albeit in the WT light.

  Then these same people leave, they overindulge in these vices, and inevitably end up in a pretty crappy situation. I'm not talking homeless, but next to no disposable income, no career direction, and pretty bad health.

  Then they remember. "The JWs were right all along, i am ruining my life..They warned me this would happen". They then return to the "Fold" and those aspects of their life get better. Better health as a result of taking better care of their bodies.

  This process can sometimes take 20 years to complete. And then they say. "The JWS saved my life"

  The result? These people, even though DFd, are still owned and controlled by the WTS, even though they do not associate with them.

  It's pretty damn clever, and it's mind control on an Industrial level

  There is a reason why the WT never highlights people who leave who start to eat healthier, exercise regularly, choose better life style choices, and get a good education. It's because these people would never return.
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  Inactive ones are not JWs

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  years ago, the insinuation was often presented, that those who were inactive were actually not witnesses at all.

  the point being made was that ''...winesses is a verb, not a noun...''.

  i know there were published assertions to this end in the older books and magazines, with possibly even quotes from the likes of rutherford or knorr ,.

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  Wouldn't be surprised if they soon they start treating inactive ones like they are did- fellowshiped.

  Perhaps they will automatically disassociate anyone who is irregular for 12 months.
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  Why a JC if the adulterous mate is forgiven?

  by snugglebunny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  supposing a man's wife has had an affair, confessed all and genuinely regrets what's happened.

  the husband, after much soul searching and agonising, realises how much he still loves her and how much both of them want to rebuild their shattered relationship.. why should that woman then have to sit in front of a judicial men-only committee and give a blow-by-blow account of her affair?.

  how would that make her husband feel, knowing that his wife is sharing intensely private stuff about her affair with several other guys?.

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  You raise a good point.

  Never really thought what would happen in this situation until now.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  You both make some great points. You are obviously well informed / read about this subject. It has at least given me something to mull over for the next few days. Thank you.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  campaign of hate

  OK, but why THIS specific belief with re-incarnation? Why this deism for which there is no evidence? Why not aliens?

  I suppose because it goes against the conventional teachings of Christianity, which to be honest, i'm feeling more and more alienated with (pardon the pun)

  So everyone would have to define "good" in the same way and all agree at all times on what "good" means. Also, since when has religion ever stopped wars, wiped out hunger or created equality?

  I think we all know in our heart of hearts what "good" actually is. Helping the poor, not commiting violence towards our fellow man (and animal for that matter). I'm not talking about religion either, more of a set of values.

  No, there isn't "evidence" for evolution, there is simply evidence and proof. Evolution happened, happens and will happen
  

  Well, i did state that i believed in evolution....Evolution and atheism are completely different.

  No, not in the same vein. There is TONS of evidence and proof for evolution. It is a FACT. There is ZERO evidence for any higher power of any sort
  

  I beg to differ. No one knows what occurred before the big bang. We can speculate, but no one, as you put it, has solid proof and evidence on what was before the big bang.

  And Cofty, the difference is that i believe there is a higher power there. As opposed to not believing there is one at all.